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Maken Tosch
Dust University
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Posted - 2016.02.13 05:37:00 -
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Sequal's Back wrote:What's the point of creating a new game if everybody already finished it before its release ?
Hmmm... strange. I never saw an endgame with Dust.
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Maken Tosch
Dust University
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Posted - 2016.02.13 05:58:00 -
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:We all know that with Legion they intended for us to be able to transfer basically every thing to just continue our progress.
In this new iteration it is clear that we will not be carrying anything over.
What do you think was the biggest factor in the last 2 years that caused this shift in direction?
Amazing stockpiles of ISK?
Huge SP from triple stacked boosters and for people with a life no SP cap in sight?
Officer gear being basically as abundant as ADV gear?
Something else from the huge list of things I am missing?
Basically the real question I suppose is what do you think was done over the last 2 years in an attempt to save Dust that they ultimately drew the line and said no way we can bring this over to the new game.
I felt a drop in transfer ability coming as soon as we got triple stacked boosters. The warbarge also felt like something that could never be transferred just because attempting to balance weapons in a new game with those kind of bonuses going on seems impossible.
Even though CCP Frame did not say that transfers would happen he did not say they would not happen either. He did hint at rewards for the loyal Dust players who stuck until the end, but what those rewards might not be what most people normally think.
It's possible that CCP might include the ability the transfer certain assets based on tier from Dust to the new game with limitations of course. They do have our database stored in the Eve Online server known as Tranquility which will surly continue long after Dust shuts down. It's just a matter of determining which assets are worth transferring over.
But I will agree with you that certain things that happened in the past might not allow that to happen anyways. The massive influx of ISK into the Dust economy without sufficient sinks to balance it destroyed any stability we had in the fledgling market and ultimate lead to proto stomps in pub matches. The influx of ISK came from either people locking districts in Planetary Conquest 1.0 or just too many BPOs running around which made it too easy to save up ISK that was generated into the economy. Ultimately, the economy was destroyed by a combination of CCP's initial implementation of the market and our overall greed as players without any checks or balances to protect the economy.
The way the BPOs were introduced placed CCP in an awkward position when it came to deciding whether or not to merge the Dust economy with the Eve economy. Obviously they never decided on that and I can see the BPOs in their current state as the culprit. If BPOs were built differently and possibly closer to Eve Online's BPOs, we might have had a different story.
Supposedly, according to CCP's early calculations, to be able to accumulate all of the SP needed to max out every skill book in Dust would require 7 years to accomplish. 3 years into the game and already we are hearing of supervets who have well over 200 million lifetime SP and that is close to the end of progression which is 264,592,920 SP. A 7-year progression plan was undone in just over 3 years. Of course, multiple SP events and extensive Omega Booster sales had a hand in that which I think CCP failed to account for early on.
Honestly because of this, I don't see much of anything carrying over to the new game other than our names and maybe any remaining AUR that wasn't already acquired through daily logins and CCP-hosted events.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2016.02.13 16:59:00 -
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:Only a total idiot would look at keeping your own stuff as a "reward". I know CCP is bad with press releases but not that bad. My bet is some piece of crap skin with a big ole copy of your Dust loyalty rank on it so we can measure who among us in the new game is the biggest idiot.
Sure they could give in and transfer some stuff but why on earth would they do that. This would only result in lost money for them and if nothing else CCP has shown that they will go to the ends of the earth to make sure there is no money left on the table.
You are one step away from losing all credibility you have with me when you said "Only a total idiot would look at keeping your own stuff as a 'reward'." You are coming across as rather self centered there. To you a reward might be something like a "crap skin" like you put it, but to others they might not agree to that. If you look at what has been talked about in the forums recently since the official announcement by CCP Frame, a lot of people are worried (and legitimately so) about some of their assets that they invested money in. Others are less concerned about assets (like me) and more concerned about their own names transferring over.
Also, transferring data does not necessarily constitute loss of revenue for CCP. It would largely depend on what they transfer and how the progression and market systems in the New Eden FPS for PC will work.
Let's look at BPOs as one example. If BPOs get transferred over, there is no guarantee that they would work the same way ever again. They might get converted to something similar to Eve Online's BPO system which requires materials and facilities to use if they feel the need to do that for the sake of gameplay. Or they might not be converted. Or what if they get converted to something neither Dust or Eve Online has? We don't know. All we know is that CCP has the data stored inside the Tranquility server of which I said will continue to operate long after Dust shuts down due to Eve Online. It's how they handle that data and how it applies (if it can be applied) to the new game that matters.
Of course, it invariably leads to you and me wondering which items get could rejected by CCP and why which brings us to the topic you started. To answer your question, which I feel I already did earlier, these are what I feel are not likely to be transferred:
ISK
We fudged up the economy in addition to CCP giving us the means to do so. Besides, it doesn't seem like anyone cares about ISK at this point anyways.
SP
The new game's progression system will no doubt be completely different in terms of how they are trained up and how much it costs to train up each level. Let's also not forget the possibility of sweeping balancing changes to dropsuit and weapon bonuses and things like that. Even if CCP transfers any of the SP, it's probably going to be a partial transfer at best assuming they tie that to the "tiered rewards" CCP Frame hinted at so that the very first players of the new game won't be too far ahead. We don't even know how SP gains will be like in the new game. This just tells me that SP is not likely to ever transfer over.
BPOs
Refer to the example I gave above. In addition to that, the new game's market system might not even allow such a transfer unless the BPOs are changed. Don't expect refunds.
Boosters
I would be most surprised if they do, but these are the last things I expect to ever see get transferred over mainly because the new progression system will be different. How different will be the question. I don't expect refunds for these at all. Some boosters were also acquired for free from Daily Missions and strong boxes which can be opened with a FREE Daily Mission key. Transferring these over will probably be the ones that impact CCP's revenue.
Unspent AUR in the Wallet
It's not likely largely because of how easy it was to accumulate FREE AUR from daily logins and CCP-sponsored events. Not to mention CCP having to sift through all the data determining how much of that AUR per account was acquired through cash payment in the PSN Store. That would require spending resources putting together a script to do all that in a short amount of time but honestly those resources are better spent making the new game fun and stable. Transferring these over might impact CCP's revenue. However, if CCP does feel generous and let's us keep the AUR, this might help CCP regain the trust that they lost with the players and actually encourage players to buy more AUR. But I don't know that for sure and I can't say with any level of certainty that this would work out like that. It might backfire for all I know or CCP will just reject it altogether because of how easy it was to gather FREE AUR.
AUR Consumables like the 'Pyrus' Allotek Nova Knives
These I feel are extremely unlikely to transfer over and I highly doubt CCP would refund these anyways for reasons stated above. Not to mention how easy it was accumulate them for FREE via End-of-Match salvage, Strongboxes, and Daily Missions.
Templar BPO Sets
Refer to reason stated earlier. In addition to that, these were only acquired via cash payment by Eve Online players who only bought the Eve The Second Decade Collector's Box set for the book, board game, Rifter-shaped USB hub, and the Eve Symphony Disc plus the Eve-only Mystery Code which is still valid and CCP is still looking to utilize that for mass marketing. Besides, the Templar Codes that came with the box were traded away for Dust ISK long ago as you can see in the Code Bazaar section of the forums. Most of the Dust 514 players who have the Templar BPO set now have likely just acquired them through ISK only while Eve Online players who sold them away don't care anymore. I doubt many are going to miss them.
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Maken Tosch
Dust University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.02.13 17:29:00 -
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SHERIFF joe arapio wrote:I don't consider myself to be a racist and I know it might be considered racial profiling. But it's all the beaners fault.
It's getting to the point if they look mexican and smell mexican ...I cant ask for legal documents. Becuz illegals have rights.
Jajajajajaja jajajajaj jajajajaj jajajajaj jajajajaj jajajajaj. GTFO here
As a fellow Hispanic, I have to ask "who uses the word 'beaner' these days to talk about us?" Whatever happened to calling us 'wetbacks'? It's like you guys are losing your touch with us.
They don't make racists like they use to anymore.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2016.02.13 21:58:00 -
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LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:LOOKMOM NOHANDS wrote:More commonly than not I 100% agree with you on assumptions but the simple fact is most of us don't have a direct line to the decision makers But you do! Community-CPM-CCP. There really is a line, which is why I'm glad you're sharing your opinion, even if I don't agree with all of it. That line is so incredibly one way that there is no description for it. CCP discovering that they could force everyone to hide behind NDA and deliver complete silence was a very bad day in history.
But it works. If it never worked, CCP Rattati would never have been able to implement the changes most of us have requested for a very long time. The only problem now is that not all of those changes made it before the Dust 404 announcement.
PS: I think this topic got sidetracked once again. Let's go back to talking about what we won't likely see transferred and why.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2016.02.15 00:37:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:
I think it's a given that because this is going to a new platform, there will be some things that simply can't transfer across for some reason. Because of that, CCP can't say they are going to do a transfer, because there are those who will expect everything to transfer across.
So they're telling us there will be some sort of tiered recognition, so we're not expecting too much. But that doesn't mean they can't transfer most if not exactly all across. You mentioned BPOs. They are one aspect that simply won't transfer over at least as they are. BPOs exist in EvE of course, but are used completely differently, not as they are but used to manufacture modules for use by players. They are also a lot more complicated, to allow for the manufacture of the resultant modules, all of which is not currently part of the Dust BPOs. So a lot will have to change, but a lot can stay the same too.
My point exactly.
CCP can choose to convert the Dust BPOs to work like the ones for Eve Online, but then that will only **** off the player base who originally bought them for the "FREE ISK" factor. Dropsuit and vehicle BPOs might be better converted into permanent SKIN modules for the New Eden FPS for PC, but the modules will present a different problem since you can't see them.
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